Posts by Lord Zagato

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True Bible Doctrines Part 1

by hooberus in

there is alot of exposing false doctrines on here lately, i thought i'd take a different approach and show a series of true bible doctines.

the word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the lord jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that god hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

romans 10:8-9. .

Lord Zagato

Actually, Christ as still being human, as Paul shows us, is more in a figurative than in a real sense: Paul shows us that the contrast between Jesus' nature with that of human nature, and to show us as well that Christ is both human and Divine:

Pauline Christology

St. Paul insists on the truth of Christ's real humanity and Divinity, in spite of the fact that at first sight the reader is confronted with three objects in the Apostle's writings: God, the human world, and the Mediator. But then the latter is both Divine and human, both God and man.

(a) Christ's Humanity in the Pauline Epistles

The expressions "form of a servant", "in habit found as a man", "in the likeness of sinful flesh" (Phil., ii, 7; Rom., viii, 3) may seem to impair the real humanity of Christ in the Pauline teaching. But in reality they only describe a mode of being or hint at the presence of a higher nature in Christ not seen by the senses, or they contrast Christ's human nature with the nature of that sinful race to which it belongs. On the other hand the Apostle plainly speaks of Our Lord manifested in the flesh (I Tim., iii, 16), as possessing a body of flesh (Col., i, 22), as being "made of a woman" (Gal., iv, 4), as being born of the seed of David according to the flesh (Rom., i, 3), as belonging according to the flesh to the race of Israel (Rom., ix, 5). As a Jew, Jesus Christ was born under the Law (Gal., iv, 4). The Apostle dwells with emphasis on Our Lord's real share in our physical human weakness (II Cor., xiii, 4), on His life of suffering (Heb., v, 8) reaching its climax in the Passion (ibid., i, 5; Phil., iii, 10; Col., i, 24). Only in two respects did Our Lord's humanity differ from the rest of men: first in its entire sinlessness (II Cor., v, 21; Gal., ii, 17; Rom., vii, 3); secondly, in the fact that Our Lord was the second Adam, representing the whole human race (Rom., v, 12-21; I Cor., xv, 45-49).

(b) Christ's Divinity in the Pauline Epistles

According to St. Paul, the superiority of the Christian revelation over all other Divine manifestations, and the perfection of the New Covenant with its sacrifice and priesthood, are derived from the fact that Christ is the Son of God (Heb., i, 1 sq.; v, 5 sq.; ii, 5 sq.; Rom., i, 3; Gal., iv, 4; Eph., iv, 13; Col., i, 12 sq.; ii, 9 sq.; etc.). The Apostle understands by the expression "Son of God" not a merely moral dignity, or a merely external relation to God which began in time, but an eternal and immanent relation of Christ to the Father. He contrasts Christ with, and finds Him superior to, Aaron and his successors, Moses and the Prophets (Heb., v, 4; x, 11; vii, 1-22; iii, 1-6; i, 1). He raises Christ above the choirs of angels, and makes Him their Lord and Master (Heb., i, 3; 14; ii, 2-3), and seats Him as heir of all things at the right hand of the Father (Heb., i, 2-3; Gal., iv, 14; Eph., i, 20-21). If St. Paul is obliged to use the terms "form of God", "image of God", when he speaks of Christ's Divinity, in order to show the personal distinction between the Eternal Father and the Divine Son (Phil., ii, 6; Col., i, 15), Christ is not merely the image and glory of God (I Cor., xi, 7), but also the first-born before any created beings (Col., i, 15), in Whom, and by Whom, and for Whom all things were made (Col., i, 16), in Whom the fulness of the Godhead resides with that actual reality which we attach to the presence of the material bodies perceptible and measurable through the organs of our senses (Col., ii, 9), in a word, "who is over all things, God blessed for ever" (Rom., ix, 5).

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What's Wrong With Mother's Day? I Forgot.

by Swan in

okay, maybe i'm getting old or maybe it's because i have been an exjw for going on 10 years now, but i can't remember what's up with jws and mother's day.

i remember my mother going with another sister to my brother's classroom for some mother's day pageant back in the 60's when we lived in alaska.

there is also a commandment in the bible about "honor your father and your mother.

Lord Zagato

[quote]Actually, I think it might have something to do with possible ties to the Catholic Feast of the Immaculate Conception, which in most Latin Countries is celebrated as Mother's Day.[/quote] Uuhh, the long and short of it, no. I don't think most Latin countries celebrate Mother's Day on December 8, either, since worldwide Mother's Day is on May, so that would mean Latin countries also observe Mother's Day on May, not December.

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Why do I have to move 3000 miles away to get away from this religion?

by DIAMOND in

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friends

that is the question.

i am literally moving from the east coast to the west coast just so i can lose my religion.

is that nuts?

Lord Zagato

Just noticed something: if your wife doesn't like the fact that you're leaving JW, and her family's inactive and she wants to "save" them, doesn't that mean she wants them to become active again? So when I read the whole post, I can't help but think that instead of moving away from it all, you might only be moving closer to it.It might be wiser, IMO, to be far from both you and your wife's families then, where you can both start anew. Being close to her family, as one poster here noted, would only be making things worse.

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True Bible Doctrines Part 1

by hooberus in

there is alot of exposing false doctrines on here lately, i thought i'd take a different approach and show a series of true bible doctines.

the word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the lord jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that god hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

romans 10:8-9. .

Lord Zagato

Interesting, if this is a bit out of topic, that quite a few found the Ante-Nicene Fathers to be interesting. It would be worthwhile to note that most of the early Church Fathers were saints of the Catholic Church, and were firm defenders of the Catholic Faith, such as Clement of Rome (Pope St. Clement I). And some have made accounts on how early Christians worshipped, such as Justin Martyr, whose account of Christian worship closely resembles the Catholic Mass. Here is another link of the writings of the early Church Fathers, including the documents to the early Church Councils as well, including Nicaea, Ephesus, Chalcedon, and Carthage: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/

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Thoughts on the "Fall of Babylon"

by refiners fire in

most recently i have been examining such invisibly occurring events as the 1918 resurrection of the saints and this week ive looked into the watchtower claim that babylon the great fell in 1919. there was scant evidence and little biblical support for the wt claim about the resurrection occuring .

in fact, the key line of proof of the resurrection was that rutherford was released from jail in 1919. does the claim of babylons fall in 1919 fare better?

what is the proof offered by the wt that this, in fact, occurred?

Lord Zagato

Judging from current world events, it would appear that far from Babylon having fallen, it still exists, and right now Babylon as it is is fully resurrected. But I do speak in veils. Suffice it to say that the interpretation of the Papacy being Babylon is as lame as the one about Britian, if not lamer. But if one were to study how events are proceeding, one would note that Babylon is restored, or almost in completion. Only a few more pieces are needed to fulfill its dominance again--and already the Man of Iniquity has hinted as much on which nations shall fall next. I would think I've already given much hint on which is Babylon, and who that Man is. If still unsure, refer again to what just happened recently in the world, especially in the place where Babylon was, and you will understand. Though understanding never did mean accepting, or believing.

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Kingdom Hall being sold to church

by tinman72 in

ok, maybe not a real scandal, but this really bugs the hell out of me!

in short, the kingdom hall i went to as child and teen, is being sold to a church.

my mother (still active) informed me of this.

Lord Zagato

At least the building will be really put to good use now...

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I Want My Dub Friend To See The Truth

by ADubsFriend in

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friends

hello all.. i used to post here as imissthedub.

after almost 2 years, the dub and i are now in contact and friends.

this is now a strictly platonic relationship, and always will be.

Lord Zagato

Know first what topics he is interested in, and do your research first of all, before letting him see the sites/documents himself. It always helps to be informed and at least have a working knowledge of the sites you visit, so as to know which sites and documents you can recommend safely. After being comfortable with those, then perhaps you can delve deeper and suggest sites that might, as you say, raise flags for him.

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Picking the parts of the Bible that YOU want to follow

by StinkyPantz in

many christians i've met like to pick and choose what parts of the bible they want to live by and ignore others.

for example, i have a friend that goes to church every sunday, reads the bible to her daughter, and prays daily.

at the same time, she lives with a man that she never plans on marrying.

Lord Zagato

This is actually true on just some denominations, particularly Protestant denominations. Luther himself bewailed of what happened when he taught that the only authority should be the Bible, and saw that people who followed him made this as an excuse to live immorally--thus making him backtrack on it and actually say that there must be some sort of authority needed to interpret Scripture. Protestantism continues on this path until today, with its members not heeding what their ministers preach. Sadly, but true, in a more general term, all religions suffer the same thing, and yes that includes JWs. So it's not just Christianity, nor just Islam, nor Hinduism, or any other religion, but all religious organizations have such members. That's how society is, basically. But yes, one shouldn't really pick what one likes and dislikes in the Bible.

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I cant believe this Trinity lark

by Hamas in

one of the main things that hits you when you leave the jw's is that maybe you haven't got all the answers like you once thought, so you begin to question everything, wouldn't you agree?.

well, my eyes were opened to the prospect of living in heaven, and not on earth like the dubya's preach.

i have listened to plenty of audio files from people that have left the witnesses and have became born again and if that floats your boat then thats great !